Правда ли, что админы получают меньше программеров?

>Просьба не начинать говорить, что всё решают скилзы.

так оно и есть :)

неверно сравнивать, ибо больше получают боссы этих программеров и админов ;) и не обязательно по заслугам :(

Глупо это, считать деньги в чужом кармане...

программеры разные бывают как и админы, одно могу сказать что админом меньше надо напрягатся :) (если это админ, а не масдайщик)

условно за штуку баксов админ будет сидеть на LOR и изредка патчить что либо без спешки, а программер будет попу рвать потому что добрые манагеры найдут что ему предложить делать.

когда по-серьезному что-нибудь навернется, получают все. и админы, и программеры, и прочие двоечники

Во-первых, я извиняюсь, что запостил вопрос так убого - забыл про user line break.
Во-вторых, всем спасибо за ответы.

2Energetic:
>Глупо это, считать деньги в чужом кармане...
Я ни к кому в карман и не лезу. Я же не опрашиваю всех, сколько получаете и какую должность Вы занимаете. Я просто пытаюсь сравнить оклады на рынке труда.

>Правда ли, что админы получают меньше программеров?
Так насколько я понял, это всё-таки не правда?

например израильская статистика:

Computer Jobs in Israel (CJI) - Annual Salary Survey (02/2005)
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This document is located on the CJI web site at:
http://www.cji.co.il/docs.htm

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The salary survey announcement was emailed to CJI subscribers.
The survey ran from February 9, 2005 through February 18, 2004.
The website and email were used to insure no duplicate entries and
that the people filling it out were from Israel. 

796 valid forms were processed.

Census information based on 796 responses:

Israeli City/Town you work in:

Jerusalem      = 121    Tel-Aviv     = 177    Herzlia      = 68
Petach Tikva   = 55    Haifa         = 51    Ra'anana      = 51    
Lod            = 23    Ramat Gan     = 22    Netanya       = 24 
Kfar Saba      = 19    Or Yehuda     = 18    Rehovot       = 16    
Yehud          = 16    Rosh Ha'ayin  = 15    Hod HaSharon  = 13    
Yokneam        = 10  Migdal Haemek   = 8     Be'er Sheva   = 7     
Bnai Brak      = 7     Karmiel       = 7     Azur          = 6     
Bet-Shemesh    = 6    Yavne          = 6     Givat Shmuel  = 5     
Holon          = 4     Modi'in       = 3     Other         = 38    
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Gender:

Female = 182
Male   = 614 (77%)
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Your Native Language:

Russian    =   351   English    =   222   Hebrew     = 144
French     =   31    Spanish    =   16    Portuguese = 6
Dutch      =   4     Romanian   =   4         Arabic = 3
Other      =   15
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Degree in Computer Science or Computer Engineering:

Yes =  338
Yes + another degree    =  62
No + a different degree = 284
No  = 112

Degree in Computer Science or Computer Engineering: 50%
Any type of degree: 86%
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Your age:

AGE 18-29 =    186 (23%)
AGE 30-40 =    392 (49%)
AGE 41-50 =    157  
AGE 51+   =    61
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Work for the government = 37 (5%)
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Have a company car = 349 (44%)
Do not have a company car = 447 (56%)
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Get bus fare = 291 (/447: 65%)
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Get picked up by van/car service = 68 (/447: 15%)
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Get Keren Histalmut = 617 (77%)
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Get Bituach Menahalim = 657 (83%)
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Get a discounted lunch or lunch coupons = 555 (70%)
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Years in the field:

< 1 Year  =     43
1-2 Years =     41
3-5 Years =     212 (27%) 
6-9 Years =     227 (29%)
10+ Years =     273 (34%)
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Number of years at current company:

<1 Year  = 230 (29%)
 1 Year  = 96 (12%)
 2 Years = 128 (16%)
 3 years = 83 (10%)
 4 years = 72
 5 years = 65
 6 years = 26
 7 years = 29
 8 years = 16
 9 years = 10
 10+ years = 41
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Hours per week (including lunch time)

35 or less = 40
40 hours   = 53
45 hours   = 332 (42%)
50 hours   = 250 (31%)
55 hours   = 88 (11%)
60 Hours   = 22
Over 60 Hours = 11
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Work more than 5 days per week =  70 (9%)
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Number of paid vacation days (excluding holidays)

Less than 10 = 50
10 - 13 days = 138 (17%)
14 - 17 days = 247 (31%)
18 - 20 days = 118 (15%)
21 - 25 days = 199 (25%)
26+ days     = 8
Do Not Know  = 36

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Get a yearly bonus = 232 (29%)

Less than one monthly salary = 135
One monthly salary = 51
Over one monthly salary = 46
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Over the past 12 months my salary (excluding cost of living):

Went up = 394 (50%)
Went down = 49 (6%)
Stayed the same = 353 (44%)
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Get stock options = 319 (40%)
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In general, do you like your job?

Yes = 711 (89%)
No  =  85
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The salaries listed below are in Shekels.
The salaries are per month Bruto (before taxes).
US Dollar salaries were converted 
using 4.38 shekels per dollar.
Only positions with at least 7 responses are listed.
Due to large fluctuations between the low and high, 
I listed the median salary instead of the average. 
This gives a better picture of the market (IMHO).

# responses + median bruto shekels per month
(does not include benefits listed above)
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Programmer (0-2 year exp.): 21       9,000
Programmer (3+ year exp.):  132     14,700
Real-time Programmer:       52      19,000
Windows Programmer:         52      14,700
Web Programmer:             22      10,700
Main Frame Programmer        8      14,750
System Programmer:          12      19,000
Programming Group Leader:   24      18,500
Systems Analyst              9      17,500
Project/Team Leader:        51      22,000
Project Manager             26      17,250
DBA:                        15      17,750
Product Manager              9      20,000
Software Tester:            13      11,000
Customer Support/Help Desk  10      10,150
Application Support          7      12,000
System Administration       26      12,000
Technical Writer:           75      13,500
Document Manager:            7      20,000
Marketing:                   8       9,500
Marketing Manager:          13      16,000
Quality Assurance Position: 24      10,000
Quality Assurance Manager:  12      15,700
Hardware Engineer            9      17,500
IT Consultant                8      17,500

lowest salaries to highest salaries
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Programmer (0-2 year exp.): 3500,4500,5000 - 12000,13000,15500
Programmer (3+ year exp.):  3250,4000 - 28000,29000,30000
Real-time Programmer:       4500,7000 - 28000,30000
Windows Programmer:         4800,6500,7000 - 21700,22500
Web Programmer:             5000 - 16300,19000
Main Frame Programmer       9000 - 22000
System Programmer:          3500,10000 - 24000,33000
Programming Group Leader:   12000,12900 - 32000,39000
Systems Analyst             8000,14000 - 26500,35000
Project/Team Leader:        12000,12400 - 29800,30000,34000
Project Manager             9300,10000 - 30000
DBA:                        4000,9500 - 23600,28500
Product Manager:            11000,17000 - 27000,31000
Software Tester:            8000,8500 - 12500,15000
Customer Support/Help Desk  3400,4000 - 11500,15000,15800
Application Support         6000,7000 - 15000,16000
System Administration:      4000,5000,6000 - 17500,20000,25000
Technical Writer:           4500,6000 - 20000,21000,25000
Documentation Manager:      11000,14000 - 21200,26000
Marketing:                  2300,6000,8600 - 11350
Marketing Manager:          9800 - 22000,28000,29500
Quality Assurance Position: 4800,7500,8000 - 14000
Quality Assurance Manager:  7000,10000 - 19000,24100
Hardware Engineer           7500,11500 - 23000,35000
IT Consultant               12000,13000 - 22500,24000
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End of the CJI 2005 Salary Survey
This document is located on the CJI web site at:
http://www.cji.co.il
Please include this web address if forwarding or
publishing these results. 
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(c) 2005 Jacob Richman jrichman@jr.co.il